Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
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HOWEDY jane,
Your newfHOWEND MENTAL CASE PALS AIN'T
GOT NO IDEA HOWE to pupperly raise, train an
handle innocent defenseless dumb critters AS
PROVEN BY their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES
which I QUOTE for your edification <{}: ~ ( >
HOWE COME you're askin LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN
MENTAL CASES for ADVICE THEY AIN'T GOT??
will accept a doggy walkin contract with you?
has LEARNED to FIGHT an EAT POOP with his own
littermates JUST LIKE HOWE you SEE your newfHOWEND
MENTAL CASE PALS FIGHTING an EATIN POOP
RIGHT HERE in their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES
which I CITE, for *your* edification AND DESPITE Scott
& Fuller's SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH regarding puppy
PSYCHOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES as
articulated in "Genetics And Social Development" <{}: ~ ) >
raise train an handle "IT", your dog would be 100%
fully HOWEsbroken NEARLY INSTANTLY <{}: ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
From: Mike (***@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
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AND LIKE THIS:
BlueMoon wrote:
Hello MOCrab (aka blackvomit) aka jim tindale,
Well, I'd take your advice and go thru the killfile as
you have recommended below, but Jerry's system Is
WORKING wonders with these two puppies in a
matter of days.
He may be abusive and short-tempered with some
people out there because, quite frankly, I think he
cares more about the dogs that the owner's feelings
and feels so strongly about it, it's aggravating to have
"experts" discount his methods.
My husband just got back from taking these 15 week
old pups for a walk, who now respond remarkably
well to the "Zena-Zoey-sit-good-girl!" phrase now
when only said once no matter where they are.
They also respond to the come here command. We
trained them (granted, out of order of the instructions)
with the pennies in the cans only two days ago to come
to us when called.
I've since backtracked to do the exercises in the proper order.
They are calm and well-behaved and impress the Hell
out of anyone who sees them. "You're kidding, they're
only 14 weeks old and they are THAT well behaved?"
Yessiree Bob, they are, and we've only had them for 12
days and have been training them (correctly for 3 days.
We still have more training exercises to do, but why fix
something if it's not broken???? These dogs are happy,
we don't have to yell at or scold them, they are learning
to be secure and to pay attention to us for approval and
not out of fear.
I can only assume some might be threatened by this
manual's methods because it goes against all human
logic on how to train a dog. It certainly didn't make
any sense to me, but I thought what the heck, try it
(even tho I still have to remind myself what to do
because my previous limited experiences with dog
training were SO DIFFERENT to the point that I
almost felt like I needed to take my brain out of my
head and put it back in backwards!!!.....).....
BUT THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!
How in the world could someone just "make
something up" and it WORK?>??>?
My husband was very doubtful about this method
when I told him I wanted to try this. His dad was
a vet, and certainly didn't use these methods with
the parade of dogs they had as kids. But now even
HE has to admit we're doing something right here,
as our stress and frustration levels have lowered
and EVERYONE is much happier around here,
especially the dogs!
I really don't think people are used to the notion that
you can train a dog and it NOT be stressful or difficult.
It's easy IF you do it just like the manual says. It might
be easier for some to NOT do it now and go with the
concept of control rather than respect and understanding,
because that's the way WE are used to thinking and
heaven forbid WE change OUR way of thinking and
admit we've done some counterproductive things in the
past, right?
The results I'm seeing here with these puppies speaks
volumes and discounts what anyone tells me otherwise.
This Wit's End manual is now in a binder
and we're sticking with it.
BlueMoon
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AND LIKE THIS:
8. From: "***@aol.com" <***@aol.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2006 19:37:25 -0700
Subject: Re: But it's working!!!
Its great that your pups are doing so well.
The Wits End method IS THE BEST WAY TO GO:-)
i wish i had found Jerry when my dog was a puppy,
would have saved so much trouble (and money).
good luck,
Crystal
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AND LIKE THIS:
Show Dog Bark Wrote:
Date: Sat, Aug 19 2006 2:06 am
Blue is doing fantastic. Thanks to his wonderful
personality, genetics and Jerry's help. I speak with
Jerry a couple of times a week about his progress
and fine tuning his training. Blue sits, heels, is
totally toilet trained, comes, knows 'down', stay
and all kinds of things like 'lets go for a walk'.
He is pure joy and has made my heart glad and full
of puppy love. He loves walking in the forest trails
and swimming in the cool and refreshing lake. His
'daddy' takes him for his final walk every evening
at 7 P.M. Then it is off to bed. He sleeps till 7 A.M.
It is nice to be able to sleep all night without getting
up for a pee pee a few times with him. In the first few
weeks I had to take him out at night, but now he is
able to sleep all night. He is like a tranquilizer.
I keep asking Jerry if Blue is a genius,
as he is so clever and obedient.
He tells me this is the nature of a dog that
has not been abused.
Blue is super good looking and so smart.
He learned to sit weeks ago. When he needs to go
outside to relieve himself, he lets me know by
going to the door and woofing. One thing that I
have noticed using Jerry's methods is that Blue
is very calm.
Most dogs are hyper and chew furniture and have
bad habits. Blue only plays with his toys. He knows
the difference between his toys and furniture and
does not nip.
I was surprised that he does not want to go on the
furniture. He likes to play on the floor and outside.
We sit outside together and he sits by where I am
reading. He may chew a toy or just hang out in the
shade. The whole town loves him and people are
impressed with his manners.
Show Dog Bark
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AND LIKE THIS:
From: AIMEE (***@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just
as good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I
was the least bit upset about the mess, and when he
looked at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're
a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys
the "snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's
methods by alternating sounds and praising him while
or before he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's
been going into the room with the cat box and barking.
That's because he's thinking about getting into the
box, but he knows he shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.
You've been a blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
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From: AIMEE (***@yahoo.com):
I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.
I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.
I was going to have to get rid of him
if things didn't turn around.
My husband and I searched the internet for answers -
AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.
For all of you disbeliveers out there:
HIS METHODS WORK!
I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.
Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.
For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.
We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting
out to get NEGATIVE attention from one another
since we weren't getting the POSITIVE attention
we wanted.
So, it's been proven -
THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK.
It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of
blame that we have to accept, but once we realize
that we've caused these problems to arise, we can
strive to make things better.
AIMEE
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Subject : The Wits end dog training method - THANK YOU!
Dear Jerry
I have just got to thank you so very much.
I had a gutful of the sadistic crap that gets dished out as
"dog training", I read a bunch of books that just seemed
wrong and then I started trawling the web and found it
was worse - bulletin boards full of people, advocates of
pin-down techniques and shock collars.
I just couldn't believe it. Some of the methods the so called
"professionals" were championing turned my stomach and
in the absence of a voice of reason many people seemed to
be taking the advice.
Was this the only way to ever train my dog?
Many of the methods thankfully I never had the stomach to
even try, it all just seemed like constantly pushing against
a resisting force.
Then I stumbled across a post from the puppy wizard - it
was honestly like an epiphany for me. In an instant the
bullshit facade that holds together these peoples brand
of "logic" just crumble away, suddenly I saw very clearly
indeed.
I then read many of your posts and eventually
after some searching found the manual.
I read it and felt like a weight had been lifted.
Now me and my furry best friend have found our
path, one that we both seem very happy with.
We are both very much in debt to your kindness
and compassionate wisdom.
I think it was Gandhi who said that "you can be in a minority
of one, but the truth is still the truth". These words seemed
so appropriate after finding your methods in a sea of countless
posts promoting repetitively violent and abusive training.
On top of that I felt a little of the pioneering spirit of the
internet, like someone had reached out across a great distance,
put a hand on my shoulder and said.."it's cool, just love your
dog, listen to him ".
Thank You, over and over Thank You! You have given me
and a young and very enthusiastic Border Collie a way to a
much better life together.
Long live the Puppy Wizard!
Cornwall UK
PS - Keep up the good work, keep telling it HOWE it really is.
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annoy my older dog, he used to make holes in blankets and
dig like mad right in the middle of the sofa. He managed to
chew to pieces a USB cable from the digital camera, a
cellular phone and several history books. Thanks to him I
even had the opportunity to look at the inside of a
computer diskette. He had some other ideas of "home
improvement" that I couldn't agree with - like moving the
content of the garbage bin on the living-room carpet.
In other words, he was acting like a puppy, albeit a poorly
supervised puppy.
Then there must be lots of such puppies among the
dogs of the posters in this group, and they seem to
be staying puppies till the end of their days - despite
all your expert training.
Within a few minutes?
Outstanding growing up process this must have been,
to occur after repeating just a few times the dreaded
praise for bad behavior!
Lucy
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And HERE'S HOWE COME:
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <***@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:53:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Critical Socialization
ability to learn and remember, even though they do it all
the time with no repetitions and no regression.
Or just maybe they *didn't* regress. Maybe they didn't really
learn anything in class because the kind of training you use is
DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEARNING PROCESS, as I stated
earlier.
If it were real learning then the dogs
wouldn't, "of course" regress, would they?
Maybe you remember the example I gave of a dog at the dog
run who instantly learned a new behavior WHILE PLAYING,
and never forgot it.
Or the example I gave about my dog learning the command,
"Up the stairs!", once, just once, and has never regressed
or forgotten the lesson.
He'll still do it every single time, eleven years after he
learned it. Hang on, I'm going to take him out in the hall
right now, where his expecation is to go DOWN the stairs,
not up, and I'm going to tell him, "Up the stairs!" to see
if he really does still remember it . . .
Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to,
so nope, he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
But then, I forgot: you believe that learning can't take
place without repetition, so "of course" the puppy will
regress if the owner doesn't keep up with the lessons.
That's only natural, right?
Wrong.
Maybe it's time to give credence to the idea that there's
another model of learning -- which comes naturally to
all animals -- and which doesn't require repetition or
the expectation that the learning will regress.
Just a thought . . .
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From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <***@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:57:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Critical
Who sez? I've gone years without using it at all.
And you're forgetting the fact that a day or two after I
taught him the command (inside the apartment building where
we lived at the time), I was walking Fred along a street on
the way to the park. I stopped in front of a brownstone, a
building we'd never been (and still haven't).
I gave him the command and he immediately obeyed it. The
second time in his life he heard it, he obeyed it, even
though there was no possible reason for him to do so, other
than the fact that I told him to.
Why?
I also taught him once, just once, not to cross a curb
without me. He hasn't forgotten that one either.
Why?
to pull on the leash, he would stop pulling on the leash.
I'm sure everyone here, if they thought about it, could
come up with their own examples (like the one I gave about
the dog learning a new behavior WHILE PLAYING in the dog
run) of dogs they've observed learning a new behavior once,
and never forgetting it.
It's the most natural form of learning there is.
But it requires that the dog be in a high-level emotional
state when the learning takes place, which is something
that *can't* be accomplished in a puppy class.
Puppy clases are, generally speaking, detrimental to
the learning process.
LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
-From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
You don't believe in the validity of this particular
model of learning? You don't think it makes sense?
Fine, I guess.
But it makes total sense to me.
And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.
Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole. This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.
He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?
Especially those of us with dogs whose
prey drives are pretty intense?
And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.
If something is important to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
learns it. The TRICK to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more emotionally
satisfying replacement behavior.
With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)
I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.
My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
- yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly. I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!
It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension. If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
LeeCharlesKelley.
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"NEED" five miles of EXXXHAUSTIVE EXXXORCISE
to CON-TROLL their HYPERACTIVE BEHAVIORS.
MENTAL CASE PALS DON'T KNOW HOWE to perimeter
train their own dogs.
LIKE THIS:
From: misty (***@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23 07:46:16 PST
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
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misty" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:6946-3B6337A1-***@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
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"misty" <***@webtv.net wrote in message
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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From: Nevyn (***@badmama.com.au)
Subject: Re: radio fence
Date: 2003-11-05 04:17:45 PST
Hi folks,
In my opinion the use of a radioshock fence is a waste of
time, effort or money. I can understand it if you a rich snob
who cares nothing about their dogs safey or behaviours.
At work I boundary train all the dogs to the bricked area
(Four kennels with 26 cages with 1 dog in each, 1 services
building and 2 catterys which is surrounded by scrubland to
the east and woodlands to the north and a lake to the west).
This works well, because then when people buy them the dogs
are easier to boundary train to a door or fence or yard.
However on a personal note, my two shelter mutts, who I
trained using the WITS END DOG MANUAL available at
www.doggydoright.com will not go past the back door, or the
back gate or the front gate without permission.
And it is nice, for when you are having a party, you can leave
your gates open for people, and your dogs won't be the least
concerned.
I find this better then spending your well earned money on a
piece of junk Why not use it to invest in a horse? Or a new
house? Make a nice aquarium? Build a nursery for a child?
Save your money. Train your dog. Please. -- Thankyou,
Nevyn
Nevyn E.D. Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
***@badmama.com.au
"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment
of animals"
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From: Paul B (***@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Fence Jumping
Date: 2000-09-29 04:33:37 PST
Been well experienced in dogs escaping from our
yard I know exactly the frustration you are going
through. Sam used to jump over the fence so I
made it higher then we got Roz and she went
under it, through it and climbed over it.
I've decided there are only 2 ways to stop the escaping,
1 is to have an escape proof fence, the other to train the
dogs not to want to escape.
I suppose a third method is to keep them
inside but I don't consider that a solution.
Making the fence escape proof can be almost impossible
if the dog is determined, to stop it climbing over as yours
is doing put an extension on top of the fence that angles
inwards at about 30-45 degrees. Never use chicken wire
as the dogs tear through that like paper.
The only training method to prevent this I can recall is
Jerry's technique, essentially it involves walking around the
perimeter of the fenced area with the dog and using sound
distractions and praise to teach the dog it's boundary.
I have had partial success with it (i.e. I have deterred Roz
from escaping from various points along the fence) but then
again I haven't really followed it through completely.
One last glimmer of hope, as the dog gets older it may
become more settled, Sam never escapes now although
he's quite capable of getting out, he 2.5 years old and
seemed to settle at about 2. So there you are, only 1.5
years of escaping left!!!
Paul.
-- Visit our homepage (updated 29 September!!!) and see the
dogs, cats and us at... (please refresh the pages often to
make sure you get the latest one!!!!)
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/paul_bousie/index.html
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ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING <{}: ~ ( >
LUCKY THING you can TRAIN ANY DOG not to steal
GARBAGE and attack you for takin it away from him.
If it's being used to curb pulling on lead, then allowing the
dog to self-correct is generally the recommended advice.
A prong collar can also be used by the handler to apply
a physical correction.
Ahhh, thanks!!
Earlier this week, while I was occupied, Moogli grabbed
something and ran into the bedroom. When Gen went to
grab it from him, he growled and bit her on the knuckle. :(
She freaked out, crying.
Needless to say, he swallowed whatever it waws that he stole.
I also figured out why he bit her.
After talking with her, I discovered that, preeviously, when
she was taking something from him, if he growled, she would
swat him.
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Oooops~!
That was the wrong post... try this WON:
From: Paul B (***@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST
It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl
without too much difficulty.
My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although
Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around
the bowls :-)
I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction anytime
the dogs tried to eat the cats food, followed with immediate
praise. It worked a treat.
The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there is food
left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we go out and
leave the dogs with access inside through a dog door.
Paul
--
Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.
See the dogs, cats, us and pics of NZ etc at my homepage.....
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/paulbousie/index.html
Updated regularly (last time 23 Jan 01) so keep coming back!!!
SEE??
From: Paul B (***@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12
Hello Marshall,
The way I view it from my observation of how my dogs react
is that the distraction interrupts the dogs thought, not for good
or bad, just interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for a second and
then will either continue the behaviour or do
something else.
The praise reassures the dog that the sound distraction is not a
threat or punishment, however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately (and praised
immediately for reassurance) then it quickly decides this
behaviour is not fulfilling and it ceases.
A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place and if that
is acceptable to us then we let it be otherwise the distraction
continues until a suitable alternate behaviour is offered.
One example, Sam used to jump up on me when I arrived
home, I would shake can to distract him right at the moment
he was about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions he tried
sitting and offering me his paw, of course this was fine so I
let it be.
While the concept of shake cans is not new, I haven't read
any other advice that says to praise immediately regardless
of what the dog does next (the common advice is to praise
once the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least stopped
the unwanted behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important part of the process.
---------------------------
SEE??
"Paul B" <***@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message news:***@clear.net.nz...
Bollocks, the manual has no dangerous suggestions at
all, people who find the manual useful are those that
don't need to control a dog to satisfy their own ego
but simply want a well behaved dog that is easy to
live with.
I would suggest the people who follow the advice in
his manual are people who have already tried other
inefficient methods and are fed up with the poor results.
The more I think about the methods he suggests the
more sense it makes, the biggest problem is people
believe they have to be in control of the dog, tell it
whats right and wrong, dogs don't understand
our values and I don't believe they are capable of
understanding them either, so to train them we use
methods they understand. That means abstract
training, doing sometimes what appears to
almost be the opposite of what makes sense to us.
If you are purely result orientated then you will not
find Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs
and love to work WITH them then his manual is
your dream come true. Distraction and praise works
with any dog, when you sit back and really think about
it, it's very obvious why.
When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a
particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly
becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have any
interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or not,
thats the key to stopping garbage can raids and food
stealing etc etc, no force, no bad dog, just distracting it
in an appropriate manner that it no longer wishes to
pursue that behaviour.
Better than hiding the garbage can eh?
Paul
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EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of
HOWE these MENTAL CASES prefer <{}: ~ ) >
them FOR FREE) on top of a cookie sheet in a CONvienient
location an FOLLOW THE HOWEsbreakin INSTRUCTIONS
in your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy,
Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
Manual <{}: ~ ) >
HOWEDY jane,
HOWEver, NOT for the same reason; I can't believe
you AIN'T LEARNED your lesson yet -- your newfHOWED
MENTAL CASE PALS don't know HOWE to HOWEsbreak
a dog DESPITE that it's a critter's TERRORTORIAL
IMPERATIVE since the age of THREE WEEKS <{}: ~ ( >
TRAIN their own dogs to use both indoor and / or
HOWEtdoor facilities <{}: ~ ( >
MANY of your newfHOWEND MENTAL CASE PAL'S
dogs have obsessive compulsive SHITTIN problems
and irritable BHOWEL syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
to your own HOWES at six weeks of age <{}: ~ ( >
Evidently you ain't been READIN HOWER ARCHIVES?
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student",
nessa, an her DEAD DOG Bagel after FIFTEEN
MONTHS IN HER PROFESSIONAL OBEDIENCE
CLASSES:
From: Nessa (***@nessa.info)
Subject: Re: Where we stand/sit/down/leave it Now
Date: 2003-09-17 14:14:51 PST
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:16:04 -0400,
Charlie Wilkes wrote (in message
the door or house if i don't) and pee and bark all
night long. but i said that already you must not
be reading for comprehension.
--
Nessa
=========
SEE?
SURPRISED, jane??
Most ETHICKAL breeders raise their puppys on paper
therefore they INSTINCTIVELY relieve themselves on it.
Here's janet's SUCCESS trainin nessa's DEAD DOG
Bagle not to shit an piss all over her HOWES:
Subject: First Class was tonite
1 From: Nessa
Date: Tues, Jun 11 2002 8:32 pm
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
Tonite I started Janet's obedience class. It's like NIGHT
and DAY from the class Bagel 'flunked'. I was amazed at
the difference and I am very glad Janet gave me the chance
to attend her class.
I can't wait till PK on Saturday.
Nessa
From: Nessa
Date: Thurs, Jul 4 2002 8:22 am
I make his Kong, he runs to the crate and since I am not
crating him anymore (just confining him) but I am crating
Hannah, I have to pull him out of the crate and he does not
want to get out.
BTW housebreaking with Janet is going quite well.
Nessa
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Subject: Night time barking.. Help needed
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 5:50 am
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
Morning all,
Bagel and Hannah are doing well except for
night time barking in the house for play time.
Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can
sleep through it).
My problem is that my next door neighbors (I live in
a townhouse) don't appreciate it (and I can't blame them).
If they are very tired after a day at the park they tend
to sleep better but I can't get them to the park now
everyday because it gets dark earlier. I try to let them
run around a bit in the neighborhood with other dogs
but it's not enough.
oh that is when the owners and I are standing there.
we try to let them all play under supervision.
I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
(there is no other way to describe dogs running down
wooden steps)
I know a tired dog is a good dog. I just don't know
what to do to hold off the barking. I know they are
playing and all I can think of is the line from the kids
book Go Dog Go (one of my favorites) is:
Now it is night
Sleep dogs sleep
(btw the drawing is of all these dogs sleeping in a big
bed on the pillows like humans with their party hats on)
I'm at the point where I am considering a soft muzzle to
prevent parking. Someone has offered the use of the
shock collar to teach no bark but I don't want to do that.
I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
HELP!!
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
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2 From: J1Boss
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 7:48 am
Do NOT let them wander the house getting more charged up.
are up at 1-5 and even thinking they CAN be!
They need to be confined to your room, told firmly to
knock it off, and have that backed up with some sort
of correction if they don't.
If all else fails, tether then away from each other, but
honestly, if they aren't responsive to you telling them
to cut it out, we're back to the "bigger issues" problem.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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around the house, and heck, even neat the bathroom
while you get ready for work..
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
----------------------
Subject: Puppy license expires
1 From: Nessa
Date: Fri, Jul 26 2002 5:57 am
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
Yep, she is pretty much housebroken so I let her
out of the crate at night to sleep with me. But last
night, while I was asleep she ATE MY GLASSES.
It's my fault, I left them on the night table (where I
always leave them) so I could see when I got up.
I needed a new pair but I wanted to be able to get
them without having to miss work. Now, poof here
I am glassesless. thank goodness we have 1 hour
glass makers pretty close by.
Well she's crated now until this chewing phase is over.
Hannah will be 5 months old next week. Any advice
on how to deal with this other than the standard, no bite,
here chew this, crating, etc.
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
Subject: I went away for the weekend... big mistake
1 From: Nessa -
Date: Sun, Jul 21 2002 9:58 pm
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
I went away for the weekend and I think my
dog walker will never speak to me again.
Bagel escaped from the kitchen and ate about 10
pounds of puppy food and proceeded to deposit it
all over my house.
He esp. liked my living room sofa which was my
mothers as he pulled some cushions off of it and
literally stood on it and peed.
Yes I know my dog has issues and I know I need help.
I think my poor dog walker needs therapy now.
It was a rough dog weekend for her and not
just with my kids.
I didn't know until the last minute I was going away
and NEXT time, the furbabies will go to furbaby camp
for the weekend.
It was too much for them.
Well live and learn.
Meanwhile, I'm still glad I went on retreat.
My house will survive as things are not important.
Hannah still loves me and Bagel will talk
to me in a few days.....
Nessa
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From: Nessa (***@nessa.info)
Subject: Re: Where we stand/sit/down/leave it Now
Date: 2003-09-17 14:14:51 PST
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:16:04 -0400,
Charlie Wilkes wrote (in message
the door or house if i don't) and pee and bark all
night long. but i said that already you must not
be reading for comprehension.
--
Nessa
=========
nessa's dogs TURNED ON HER and got her EVICTED, to boot~!
From: Nessa (***@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: Sad News.. I need someone to take my dogs
Date: 2003-08-26 09:55:03 PST
well I'm not BLAMING my job it's ONE of MANY
things that I'm considering.
As for returning them to their respective shelters,
I don't want to split them up and I'm not going to
give them to just anyone. Possibly because I am
doing everything I can to keep them and drag this
mess out as long as possible in hopes that it will
work out.
=============
THEN janet GOT MAD at nessa for NOT MURDERIN her dog!
"You're JUDGED BY the company you keep.
When you lie with PIGS,
you'll awaken
STINKIN like 'em,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ( >
I have already posted this question but did not get any help.
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???Maybe I didn't make my situation clear.
Perhaps *you* didn't GET THE POINT, jane?Your newfHOWEND MENTAL CASE PALS AIN'T
GOT NO IDEA HOWE to pupperly raise, train an
handle innocent defenseless dumb critters AS
PROVEN BY their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES
which I QUOTE for your edification <{}: ~ ( >
I live in a condo.
Does THAT mean YOU CAN'T READ, jane??I am handicapped.
Oh well then, PERHAPS *THAT* EXXXPLAINSHOWE COME you're askin LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN
MENTAL CASES for ADVICE THEY AIN'T GOT??
I cannot go out when it's icy or snowing. Sometimes
I am in too much pain to go out at all.
Perhaps diddler or janet boss or her partner sinofabitchI am in too much pain to go out at all.
will accept a doggy walkin contract with you?
My husband died three weeks ago. I have always
wanted a dog and will be getting a Papillon puppy
in June.
You mean at the age of 12 weeks, AFTER the puppywanted a dog and will be getting a Papillon puppy
in June.
has LEARNED to FIGHT an EAT POOP with his own
littermates JUST LIKE HOWE you SEE your newfHOWEND
MENTAL CASE PALS FIGHTING an EATIN POOP
RIGHT HERE in their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES
which I CITE, for *your* edification AND DESPITE Scott
& Fuller's SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH regarding puppy
PSYCHOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES as
articulated in "Genetics And Social Development" <{}: ~ ) >
The breeder assures me that the dog will be
under 7lbs full grown which will be perfect for me.
Yeah. You just DO whatever your "ETHICKAL BREEDER" sez.under 7lbs full grown which will be perfect for me.
Because of my physical limitations, I
have to train it to use Wee Wee pads.
NO PROBLEMO. If you knew *HOWE* to pupperlyhave to train it to use Wee Wee pads.
raise train an handle "IT", your dog would be 100%
fully HOWEsbroken NEARLY INSTANTLY <{}: ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
From: Mike (***@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
Mike
Ok Mike which part worked for you?Mike
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
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AND LIKE THIS:
BlueMoon wrote:
Hello MOCrab (aka blackvomit) aka jim tindale,
Well, I'd take your advice and go thru the killfile as
you have recommended below, but Jerry's system Is
WORKING wonders with these two puppies in a
matter of days.
He may be abusive and short-tempered with some
people out there because, quite frankly, I think he
cares more about the dogs that the owner's feelings
and feels so strongly about it, it's aggravating to have
"experts" discount his methods.
My husband just got back from taking these 15 week
old pups for a walk, who now respond remarkably
well to the "Zena-Zoey-sit-good-girl!" phrase now
when only said once no matter where they are.
They also respond to the come here command. We
trained them (granted, out of order of the instructions)
with the pennies in the cans only two days ago to come
to us when called.
I've since backtracked to do the exercises in the proper order.
They are calm and well-behaved and impress the Hell
out of anyone who sees them. "You're kidding, they're
only 14 weeks old and they are THAT well behaved?"
Yessiree Bob, they are, and we've only had them for 12
days and have been training them (correctly for 3 days.
We still have more training exercises to do, but why fix
something if it's not broken???? These dogs are happy,
we don't have to yell at or scold them, they are learning
to be secure and to pay attention to us for approval and
not out of fear.
I can only assume some might be threatened by this
manual's methods because it goes against all human
logic on how to train a dog. It certainly didn't make
any sense to me, but I thought what the heck, try it
(even tho I still have to remind myself what to do
because my previous limited experiences with dog
training were SO DIFFERENT to the point that I
almost felt like I needed to take my brain out of my
head and put it back in backwards!!!.....).....
BUT THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!
How in the world could someone just "make
something up" and it WORK?>??>?
My husband was very doubtful about this method
when I told him I wanted to try this. His dad was
a vet, and certainly didn't use these methods with
the parade of dogs they had as kids. But now even
HE has to admit we're doing something right here,
as our stress and frustration levels have lowered
and EVERYONE is much happier around here,
especially the dogs!
I really don't think people are used to the notion that
you can train a dog and it NOT be stressful or difficult.
It's easy IF you do it just like the manual says. It might
be easier for some to NOT do it now and go with the
concept of control rather than respect and understanding,
because that's the way WE are used to thinking and
heaven forbid WE change OUR way of thinking and
admit we've done some counterproductive things in the
past, right?
The results I'm seeing here with these puppies speaks
volumes and discounts what anyone tells me otherwise.
This Wit's End manual is now in a binder
and we're sticking with it.
BlueMoon
------------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
8. From: "***@aol.com" <***@aol.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2006 19:37:25 -0700
Subject: Re: But it's working!!!
The results I'm seeing here with these puppies speaks
volumes
and discounts what anyone tells me otherwise. This
Wit's End manual is now in a binder and we're sticking
with it.
BlueMoon
Hi BlueMoon,volumes
and discounts what anyone tells me otherwise. This
Wit's End manual is now in a binder and we're sticking
with it.
BlueMoon
Its great that your pups are doing so well.
The Wits End method IS THE BEST WAY TO GO:-)
i wish i had found Jerry when my dog was a puppy,
would have saved so much trouble (and money).
good luck,
Crystal
---------------------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
Show Dog Bark Wrote:
Date: Sat, Aug 19 2006 2:06 am
Blue is doing fantastic. Thanks to his wonderful
personality, genetics and Jerry's help. I speak with
Jerry a couple of times a week about his progress
and fine tuning his training. Blue sits, heels, is
totally toilet trained, comes, knows 'down', stay
and all kinds of things like 'lets go for a walk'.
He is pure joy and has made my heart glad and full
of puppy love. He loves walking in the forest trails
and swimming in the cool and refreshing lake. His
'daddy' takes him for his final walk every evening
at 7 P.M. Then it is off to bed. He sleeps till 7 A.M.
It is nice to be able to sleep all night without getting
up for a pee pee a few times with him. In the first few
weeks I had to take him out at night, but now he is
able to sleep all night. He is like a tranquilizer.
I keep asking Jerry if Blue is a genius,
as he is so clever and obedient.
He tells me this is the nature of a dog that
has not been abused.
Blue is super good looking and so smart.
He learned to sit weeks ago. When he needs to go
outside to relieve himself, he lets me know by
going to the door and woofing. One thing that I
have noticed using Jerry's methods is that Blue
is very calm.
Most dogs are hyper and chew furniture and have
bad habits. Blue only plays with his toys. He knows
the difference between his toys and furniture and
does not nip.
I was surprised that he does not want to go on the
furniture. He likes to play on the floor and outside.
We sit outside together and he sits by where I am
reading. He may chew a toy or just hang out in the
shade. The whole town loves him and people are
impressed with his manners.
Show Dog Bark
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AND LIKE THIS:
From: AIMEE (***@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just
as good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I
was the least bit upset about the mess, and when he
looked at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're
a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys
the "snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's
methods by alternating sounds and praising him while
or before he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's
been going into the room with the cat box and barking.
That's because he's thinking about getting into the
box, but he knows he shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.
You've been a blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
-----------------------
From: AIMEE (***@yahoo.com):
I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.
I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.
I was going to have to get rid of him
if things didn't turn around.
My husband and I searched the internet for answers -
AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.
For all of you disbeliveers out there:
HIS METHODS WORK!
I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.
Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.
For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.
We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting
out to get NEGATIVE attention from one another
since we weren't getting the POSITIVE attention
we wanted.
So, it's been proven -
THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK.
It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of
blame that we have to accept, but once we realize
that we've caused these problems to arise, we can
strive to make things better.
AIMEE
=============
Subject : The Wits end dog training method - THANK YOU!
Dear Jerry
I have just got to thank you so very much.
I had a gutful of the sadistic crap that gets dished out as
"dog training", I read a bunch of books that just seemed
wrong and then I started trawling the web and found it
was worse - bulletin boards full of people, advocates of
pin-down techniques and shock collars.
I just couldn't believe it. Some of the methods the so called
"professionals" were championing turned my stomach and
in the absence of a voice of reason many people seemed to
be taking the advice.
Was this the only way to ever train my dog?
Many of the methods thankfully I never had the stomach to
even try, it all just seemed like constantly pushing against
a resisting force.
Then I stumbled across a post from the puppy wizard - it
was honestly like an epiphany for me. In an instant the
bullshit facade that holds together these peoples brand
of "logic" just crumble away, suddenly I saw very clearly
indeed.
I then read many of your posts and eventually
after some searching found the manual.
I read it and felt like a weight had been lifted.
Now me and my furry best friend have found our
path, one that we both seem very happy with.
We are both very much in debt to your kindness
and compassionate wisdom.
I think it was Gandhi who said that "you can be in a minority
of one, but the truth is still the truth". These words seemed
so appropriate after finding your methods in a sea of countless
posts promoting repetitively violent and abusive training.
On top of that I felt a little of the pioneering spirit of the
internet, like someone had reached out across a great distance,
put a hand on my shoulder and said.."it's cool, just love your
dog, listen to him ".
Thank You, over and over Thank You! You have given me
and a young and very enthusiastic Border Collie a way to a
much better life together.
Long live the Puppy Wizard!
Cornwall UK
PS - Keep up the good work, keep telling it HOWE it really is.
--------------------------
Well hey. Get back to us when you have a
dog that isn't perfect, mmkay?
I already HAD such a puppy: he used to bite, he used todog that isn't perfect, mmkay?
annoy my older dog, he used to make holes in blankets and
dig like mad right in the middle of the sofa. He managed to
chew to pieces a USB cable from the digital camera, a
cellular phone and several history books. Thanks to him I
even had the opportunity to look at the inside of a
computer diskette. He had some other ideas of "home
improvement" that I couldn't agree with - like moving the
content of the garbage bin on the living-room carpet.
supervised puppy.
dogs of the posters in this group, and they seem to
be staying puppies till the end of their days - despite
all your expert training.
It's the same puppy that is now my perfect dog [...]
In other words, your puppy grew up.Outstanding growing up process this must have been,
to occur after repeating just a few times the dreaded
praise for bad behavior!
Lucy
------------
And HERE'S HOWE COME:
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <***@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:53:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Critical Socialization
Okay, but if you're not still speechless, then explain why
more than 60% of Americans who take their dogs to a puppy
class report that the dog didn't learn anything and that
the experience was basically a waste of time and money?
That one's easy. Because they didn't PRACTICE.
<snip>more than 60% of Americans who take their dogs to a puppy
class report that the dog didn't learn anything and that
the experience was basically a waste of time and money?
That one's easy. Because they didn't PRACTICE.
if they don't continue to use what they learned after
class, of course the dogs are going to regress.
"Of course?" You have a pretty low opinion of a puppy'sclass, of course the dogs are going to regress.
ability to learn and remember, even though they do it all
the time with no repetitions and no regression.
Or just maybe they *didn't* regress. Maybe they didn't really
learn anything in class because the kind of training you use is
DETRIMENTAL TO THE LEARNING PROCESS, as I stated
earlier.
If it were real learning then the dogs
wouldn't, "of course" regress, would they?
Maybe you remember the example I gave of a dog at the dog
run who instantly learned a new behavior WHILE PLAYING,
and never forgot it.
Or the example I gave about my dog learning the command,
"Up the stairs!", once, just once, and has never regressed
or forgotten the lesson.
He'll still do it every single time, eleven years after he
learned it. Hang on, I'm going to take him out in the hall
right now, where his expecation is to go DOWN the stairs,
not up, and I'm going to tell him, "Up the stairs!" to see
if he really does still remember it . . .
Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to,
so nope, he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
But then, I forgot: you believe that learning can't take
place without repetition, so "of course" the puppy will
regress if the owner doesn't keep up with the lessons.
That's only natural, right?
Wrong.
Maybe it's time to give credence to the idea that there's
another model of learning -- which comes naturally to
all animals -- and which doesn't require repetition or
the expectation that the learning will regress.
Just a thought . . .
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From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <***@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:57:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Critical
Yep, he went right up the stairs when I told him to,
so nope, he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
Leah:>Duh. Because you USE the command regularly?so nope, he hasn't regressed. I wonder why that is.
Who sez? I've gone years without using it at all.
And you're forgetting the fact that a day or two after I
taught him the command (inside the apartment building where
we lived at the time), I was walking Fred along a street on
the way to the park. I stopped in front of a brownstone, a
building we'd never been (and still haven't).
I gave him the command and he immediately obeyed it. The
second time in his life he heard it, he obeyed it, even
though there was no possible reason for him to do so, other
than the fact that I told him to.
Why?
I also taught him once, just once, not to cross a curb
without me. He hasn't forgotten that one either.
Why?
If the owner knows the method to stop the puppy from pulling
on the leash, yet lets the puppy pull him all over the place,
the puppy will not stop pulling on the leash.
This is a no-brainer.
No, *this* is: If the puppy had actually been taught noton the leash, yet lets the puppy pull him all over the place,
the puppy will not stop pulling on the leash.
This is a no-brainer.
to pull on the leash, he would stop pulling on the leash.
I'm sure everyone here, if they thought about it, could
come up with their own examples (like the one I gave about
the dog learning a new behavior WHILE PLAYING in the dog
run) of dogs they've observed learning a new behavior once,
and never forgetting it.
It's the most natural form of learning there is.
But it requires that the dog be in a high-level emotional
state when the learning takes place, which is something
that *can't* be accomplished in a puppy class.
Puppy clases are, generally speaking, detrimental to
the learning process.
LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
-From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
You don't believe in the validity of this particular
model of learning? You don't think it makes sense?
Fine, I guess.
But it makes total sense to me.
And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.
Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole. This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.
He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?
Especially those of us with dogs whose
prey drives are pretty intense?
And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.
If something is important to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
learns it. The TRICK to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more emotionally
satisfying replacement behavior.
With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)
I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.
My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
- yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly. I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!
It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension. If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
LeeCharlesKelley.
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This does NOT mean I won't be taking
the dog out for walks and socializing.
Your newfHOWEN MENTAL CASE PALS dogsthe dog out for walks and socializing.
"NEED" five miles of EXXXHAUSTIVE EXXXORCISE
to CON-TROLL their HYPERACTIVE BEHAVIORS.
It's just that I cannot let it out alone to do it's "business"
You mean on accHOWENTA you AND your newfHOWENDMENTAL CASE PALS DON'T KNOW HOWE to perimeter
train their own dogs.
LIKE THIS:
From: misty (***@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23 07:46:16 PST
So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was stillusing the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
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misty" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:6946-3B6337A1-***@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
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"misty" <***@webtv.net wrote in message
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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From: Nevyn (***@badmama.com.au)
Subject: Re: radio fence
Date: 2003-11-05 04:17:45 PST
Hi folks,
In my opinion the use of a radioshock fence is a waste of
time, effort or money. I can understand it if you a rich snob
who cares nothing about their dogs safey or behaviours.
At work I boundary train all the dogs to the bricked area
(Four kennels with 26 cages with 1 dog in each, 1 services
building and 2 catterys which is surrounded by scrubland to
the east and woodlands to the north and a lake to the west).
This works well, because then when people buy them the dogs
are easier to boundary train to a door or fence or yard.
However on a personal note, my two shelter mutts, who I
trained using the WITS END DOG MANUAL available at
www.doggydoright.com will not go past the back door, or the
back gate or the front gate without permission.
And it is nice, for when you are having a party, you can leave
your gates open for people, and your dogs won't be the least
concerned.
I find this better then spending your well earned money on a
piece of junk Why not use it to invest in a horse? Or a new
house? Make a nice aquarium? Build a nursery for a child?
Save your money. Train your dog. Please. -- Thankyou,
Nevyn
Nevyn E.D. Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
***@badmama.com.au
"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment
of animals"
_____________________
From: Paul B (***@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Fence Jumping
Date: 2000-09-29 04:33:37 PST
Been well experienced in dogs escaping from our
yard I know exactly the frustration you are going
through. Sam used to jump over the fence so I
made it higher then we got Roz and she went
under it, through it and climbed over it.
I've decided there are only 2 ways to stop the escaping,
1 is to have an escape proof fence, the other to train the
dogs not to want to escape.
I suppose a third method is to keep them
inside but I don't consider that a solution.
Making the fence escape proof can be almost impossible
if the dog is determined, to stop it climbing over as yours
is doing put an extension on top of the fence that angles
inwards at about 30-45 degrees. Never use chicken wire
as the dogs tear through that like paper.
The only training method to prevent this I can recall is
Jerry's technique, essentially it involves walking around the
perimeter of the fenced area with the dog and using sound
distractions and praise to teach the dog it's boundary.
I have had partial success with it (i.e. I have deterred Roz
from escaping from various points along the fence) but then
again I haven't really followed it through completely.
One last glimmer of hope, as the dog gets older it may
become more settled, Sam never escapes now although
he's quite capable of getting out, he 2.5 years old and
seemed to settle at about 2. So there you are, only 1.5
years of escaping left!!!
Paul.
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Because, I might buy my grandma's house, and both
of her next door neighbors and some other neighbors
across the street have dogs, so, would the Mal want
to go after these dogs?
NOT if he wasn't AFRAID of them <{}: ~ ) >of her next door neighbors and some other neighbors
across the street have dogs, so, would the Mal want
to go after these dogs?
Are most Mals really food agressive?
ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING <{}: ~ ( >
Cootie is, at times and, one time my mom tried to get some
rotten garbage away from her, she bit my mom to where she
needed stitches.
That was PREDICTABLE~!rotten garbage away from her, she bit my mom to where she
needed stitches.
LUCKY THING you can TRAIN ANY DOG not to steal
GARBAGE and attack you for takin it away from him.
Aren't prong collars supposed to provide self-
correction to the dog?? When they pull, it provides
some discomfort, when they stop, it stops. Isn't
giving a correction with a prong collar wrong??
Not necessarily. It depends on how the collar is being used.correction to the dog?? When they pull, it provides
some discomfort, when they stop, it stops. Isn't
giving a correction with a prong collar wrong??
If it's being used to curb pulling on lead, then allowing the
dog to self-correct is generally the recommended advice.
A prong collar can also be used by the handler to apply
a physical correction.
Earlier this week, while I was occupied, Moogli grabbed
something and ran into the bedroom. When Gen went to
grab it from him, he growled and bit her on the knuckle. :(
She freaked out, crying.
Needless to say, he swallowed whatever it waws that he stole.
I also figured out why he bit her.
After talking with her, I discovered that, preeviously, when
she was taking something from him, if he growled, she would
swat him.
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Oooops~!
That was the wrong post... try this WON:
From: Paul B (***@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST
It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl
without too much difficulty.
My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although
Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around
the bowls :-)
I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction anytime
the dogs tried to eat the cats food, followed with immediate
praise. It worked a treat.
The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there is food
left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we go out and
leave the dogs with access inside through a dog door.
Paul
--
Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.
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Updated regularly (last time 23 Jan 01) so keep coming back!!!
SEE??
From: Paul B (***@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12
Hello Marshall,
The way I view it from my observation of how my dogs react
is that the distraction interrupts the dogs thought, not for good
or bad, just interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for a second and
then will either continue the behaviour or do
something else.
The praise reassures the dog that the sound distraction is not a
threat or punishment, however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately (and praised
immediately for reassurance) then it quickly decides this
behaviour is not fulfilling and it ceases.
A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place and if that
is acceptable to us then we let it be otherwise the distraction
continues until a suitable alternate behaviour is offered.
One example, Sam used to jump up on me when I arrived
home, I would shake can to distract him right at the moment
he was about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions he tried
sitting and offering me his paw, of course this was fine so I
let it be.
While the concept of shake cans is not new, I haven't read
any other advice that says to praise immediately regardless
of what the dog does next (the common advice is to praise
once the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least stopped
the unwanted behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important part of the process.
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SEE??
"Paul B" <***@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message news:***@clear.net.nz...
Bollocks, the manual has no dangerous suggestions at
all, people who find the manual useful are those that
don't need to control a dog to satisfy their own ego
but simply want a well behaved dog that is easy to
live with.
I would suggest the people who follow the advice in
his manual are people who have already tried other
inefficient methods and are fed up with the poor results.
The more I think about the methods he suggests the
more sense it makes, the biggest problem is people
believe they have to be in control of the dog, tell it
whats right and wrong, dogs don't understand
our values and I don't believe they are capable of
understanding them either, so to train them we use
methods they understand. That means abstract
training, doing sometimes what appears to
almost be the opposite of what makes sense to us.
If you are purely result orientated then you will not
find Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs
and love to work WITH them then his manual is
your dream come true. Distraction and praise works
with any dog, when you sit back and really think about
it, it's very obvious why.
When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a
particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly
becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have any
interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or not,
thats the key to stopping garbage can raids and food
stealing etc etc, no force, no bad dog, just distracting it
in an appropriate manner that it no longer wishes to
pursue that behaviour.
Better than hiding the garbage can eh?
Paul
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and I'm not physically able to take it out every time it needs to.
NO PROBLEMO~! Simply DO EVERY THINGEXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of
HOWE these MENTAL CASES prefer <{}: ~ ) >
Having said that, can someone tell me what size
Wee Wee pads would work for a dog of 7lbs?
Try placing a few sheets of newspapers *(you can getWee Wee pads would work for a dog of 7lbs?
them FOR FREE) on top of a cookie sheet in a CONvienient
location an FOLLOW THE HOWEsbreakin INSTRUCTIONS
in your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy,
Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
Manual <{}: ~ ) >
Thanks
Oh, you're welcome <{}': ~ ) >HOWEDY jane,
I can't believe I'm posting a question about Wee Wee Pads,
LikeWIZE <{}'; ~ ) >HOWEver, NOT for the same reason; I can't believe
you AIN'T LEARNED your lesson yet -- your newfHOWED
MENTAL CASE PALS don't know HOWE to HOWEsbreak
a dog DESPITE that it's a critter's TERRORTORIAL
IMPERATIVE since the age of THREE WEEKS <{}: ~ ( >
or wee wee anything for that matter.
Your MENTAL CASE PALS don't know HOWE toTRAIN their own dogs to use both indoor and / or
HOWEtdoor facilities <{}: ~ ( >
MANY of your newfHOWEND MENTAL CASE PAL'S
dogs have obsessive compulsive SHITTIN problems
and irritable BHOWEL syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
Anyway -
You mean 'anyHOWE', just HOWETA respect <{}: ~ ) >I am getting a Papillon puppy in 3 months.
It was born today.
Yeah. The RESEARCH SEZ you should take ITIt was born today.
to your own HOWES at six weeks of age <{}: ~ ( >
I want to train it to use the pads all the time so I
don't have to worry about not being able to get
out in bad weather.
INDEED?don't have to worry about not being able to get
out in bad weather.
Evidently you ain't been READIN HOWER ARCHIVES?
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student",
nessa, an her DEAD DOG Bagel after FIFTEEN
MONTHS IN HER PROFESSIONAL OBEDIENCE
CLASSES:
From: Nessa (***@nessa.info)
Subject: Re: Where we stand/sit/down/leave it Now
Date: 2003-09-17 14:14:51 PST
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:16:04 -0400,
Charlie Wilkes wrote (in message
Yes, it's a huge improvement over shoving them in
crates at night. But why does Bagel have to be leashed?
because he will wander the area (room if i closecrates at night. But why does Bagel have to be leashed?
the door or house if i don't) and pee and bark all
night long. but i said that already you must not
be reading for comprehension.
--
Nessa
=========
SEE?
SURPRISED, jane??
The breeder said the dog will weigh about 7lbs full grown.
What size Pad holder should I get?
You can use newspapers on top of a cookie sheet.What size Pad holder should I get?
Most ETHICKAL breeders raise their puppys on paper
therefore they INSTINCTIVELY relieve themselves on it.
thanks.
You're welcome <{}: ~ ) >Here's janet's SUCCESS trainin nessa's DEAD DOG
Bagle not to shit an piss all over her HOWES:
Subject: First Class was tonite
1 From: Nessa
Date: Tues, Jun 11 2002 8:32 pm
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
Tonite I started Janet's obedience class. It's like NIGHT
and DAY from the class Bagel 'flunked'. I was amazed at
the difference and I am very glad Janet gave me the chance
to attend her class.
I can't wait till PK on Saturday.
Nessa
From: Nessa
Date: Thurs, Jul 4 2002 8:22 am
That aside, I crate trained both my dogs successfully,
and used the crate to house train them.
Bagel is so well crate trained that in the mornings whenand used the crate to house train them.
I make his Kong, he runs to the crate and since I am not
crating him anymore (just confining him) but I am crating
Hannah, I have to pull him out of the crate and he does not
want to get out.
BTW housebreaking with Janet is going quite well.
Nessa
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Subject: Night time barking.. Help needed
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 5:50 am
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
Morning all,
Bagel and Hannah are doing well except for
night time barking in the house for play time.
Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can
sleep through it).
My problem is that my next door neighbors (I live in
a townhouse) don't appreciate it (and I can't blame them).
If they are very tired after a day at the park they tend
to sleep better but I can't get them to the park now
everyday because it gets dark earlier. I try to let them
run around a bit in the neighborhood with other dogs
but it's not enough.
oh that is when the owners and I are standing there.
we try to let them all play under supervision.
I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
(there is no other way to describe dogs running down
wooden steps)
I know a tired dog is a good dog. I just don't know
what to do to hold off the barking. I know they are
playing and all I can think of is the line from the kids
book Go Dog Go (one of my favorites) is:
Now it is night
Sleep dogs sleep
(btw the drawing is of all these dogs sleeping in a big
bed on the pillows like humans with their party hats on)
I'm at the point where I am considering a soft muzzle to
prevent parking. Someone has offered the use of the
shock collar to teach no bark but I don't want to do that.
I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
HELP!!
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
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2 From: J1Boss
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 7:48 am
Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can
sleep through it).
What the (*&(*)(* are they doing awake between 1 and 5?between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can
sleep through it).
I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
(there is no other way to describe dogs running down
wooden steps)
Baby gate. Door.into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
(there is no other way to describe dogs running down
wooden steps)
Do NOT let them wander the house getting more charged up.
I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much. HELP!!
Nessa - I would seriously consider why these dogsare up at 1-5 and even thinking they CAN be!
They need to be confined to your room, told firmly to
knock it off, and have that backed up with some sort
of correction if they don't.
If all else fails, tether then away from each other, but
honestly, if they aren't responsive to you telling them
to cut it out, we're back to the "bigger issues" problem.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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A few weeks ago it started at 5:30 am and it has
become increasingly earlier until this morning he
started at 4:00. Ignoring him has proven to be
futile, as has calming him down and rewarding
him with a treat and, as a last resort, spraying
him with water from a plant sprayer.
This morning I even put him in his crate and took
him into the bathroom with me as I prepared for
work (normally he stays in a x-pen in the kitchen)
but he only calmed down for a few minutes before
the whining began again.
A 1 year old should be hanging out with you. Overnight,become increasingly earlier until this morning he
started at 4:00. Ignoring him has proven to be
futile, as has calming him down and rewarding
him with a treat and, as a last resort, spraying
him with water from a plant sprayer.
This morning I even put him in his crate and took
him into the bathroom with me as I prepared for
work (normally he stays in a x-pen in the kitchen)
but he only calmed down for a few minutes before
the whining began again.
around the house, and heck, even neat the bathroom
while you get ready for work..
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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Subject: Puppy license expires
1 From: Nessa
Date: Fri, Jul 26 2002 5:57 am
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
Yep, she is pretty much housebroken so I let her
out of the crate at night to sleep with me. But last
night, while I was asleep she ATE MY GLASSES.
It's my fault, I left them on the night table (where I
always leave them) so I could see when I got up.
I needed a new pair but I wanted to be able to get
them without having to miss work. Now, poof here
I am glassesless. thank goodness we have 1 hour
glass makers pretty close by.
Well she's crated now until this chewing phase is over.
Hannah will be 5 months old next week. Any advice
on how to deal with this other than the standard, no bite,
here chew this, crating, etc.
Nessa
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Subject: I went away for the weekend... big mistake
1 From: Nessa -
Date: Sun, Jul 21 2002 9:58 pm
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
I went away for the weekend and I think my
dog walker will never speak to me again.
Bagel escaped from the kitchen and ate about 10
pounds of puppy food and proceeded to deposit it
all over my house.
He esp. liked my living room sofa which was my
mothers as he pulled some cushions off of it and
literally stood on it and peed.
Yes I know my dog has issues and I know I need help.
I think my poor dog walker needs therapy now.
It was a rough dog weekend for her and not
just with my kids.
I didn't know until the last minute I was going away
and NEXT time, the furbabies will go to furbaby camp
for the weekend.
It was too much for them.
Well live and learn.
Meanwhile, I'm still glad I went on retreat.
My house will survive as things are not important.
Hannah still loves me and Bagel will talk
to me in a few days.....
Nessa
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From: Nessa (***@nessa.info)
Subject: Re: Where we stand/sit/down/leave it Now
Date: 2003-09-17 14:14:51 PST
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:16:04 -0400,
Charlie Wilkes wrote (in message
Yes, it's a huge improvement over shoving them in
crates at night. But why does Bagel have to be leashed?
because he will wander the area (room if i closecrates at night. But why does Bagel have to be leashed?
the door or house if i don't) and pee and bark all
night long. but i said that already you must not
be reading for comprehension.
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Nessa
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nessa's dogs TURNED ON HER and got her EVICTED, to boot~!
From: Nessa (***@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: Sad News.. I need someone to take my dogs
Date: 2003-08-26 09:55:03 PST
well I'm not BLAMING my job it's ONE of MANY
things that I'm considering.
As for returning them to their respective shelters,
I don't want to split them up and I'm not going to
give them to just anyone. Possibly because I am
doing everything I can to keep them and drag this
mess out as long as possible in hopes that it will
work out.
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THEN janet GOT MAD at nessa for NOT MURDERIN her dog!
"You're JUDGED BY the company you keep.
When you lie with PIGS,
you'll awaken
STINKIN like 'em,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ( >